snipped from a thread re CF in the framebuilder's world:
>"i must have a carbon stay model" to remain competitive..."

your pal was incorrect and that is flawed logic.
folks don't come to you to get your version of what
is sold at the mall. that wasn't even the case when
steel was ubiquitous. clients call you and arrive at
your doorstep because you have abilities and exper-
iences that enable you to translate their information
and construct a frame of higher quality and fine
design. material is NOT part of the equation.