>"A rider used to be able to say a Raleigh came from England, Peugeot from
>France, and Bianchi came from Italy, but this is no more... There no longer
>seems to be a national pride in the which countries stand behind what bike
>products or brands."

why does this matter?
i say national pride can take take a back seat to
global pride any day of the week as long as no one
is hurt or tortured making these bicycles. otoh, if
asian production of generic frames is going to lead
to a nike- like "sweatshop" story by geraldo, then i
respectfully recant my opinion.