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>>> I was wondering how racing fit into the business models of various builders on the forum.
>>> For the purposes of discussion individuals have been categorized based on my perception
>>> ...no offense intended.

my racing and sporting interests preceded my getting on a plane to
london and starting all this. nothing has changed. the racing comes
first atmo. framebuilding was something to do during the week atmo.

>>> I think everyone started out racing and moved into selling. What I wanted to try and
>>> spark was a discussion about how it fits in now. Your racing has to influence your product
>>> and it influences those who buy what you make.

they are inseparable atmo.
folks don't buy frames; they buy framebuilders.

no shame implied.